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hey everyone this is Martin Willis your

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host welcome to the everything else show

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now at just a couple of announcements we

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have a great guest of this evening

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his name is Denver Michaels and he is

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going to be talking mostly about Lake

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Monsters he's written a number of books

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are gonna be talking about that

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I think he's got three books that he's

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written the last couple of years so

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we're gonna be talking about his books

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but I wanted to also say that these

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shows I do are for the different types

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of topics that I find interesting it's

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not always easy to get guests and it's

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it's really difficult for me to do two

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shows a week I do the the UFO show every

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Wednesday and this show on Mondays it's

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difficult I'm going to do I'm going to

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do them when it's convenient it works

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out and there's topics that I want to

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listen to I know that sounds like a real

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loose commitment but I have a number of

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shows racked up now about three or four

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of them that are coming up so I will be

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running shows but not every Monday night

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that's how I'm going to put it my work

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has gotten very very intense right now

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so I will do what I can and we'll see

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you here on Monday nights when I can be

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here tonight we are going to be talking

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again about Lake Monsters Denver

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Michaels has written a couple of books

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one of them being water monsters south

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of the border another one is people are

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seeing something a survey of Lake

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Monsters in the United States and Canada

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in his recent book wild and wonderful

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and paranormal West Virginia Denver how

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are you welcome to the show okay I'm

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doing good thanks for having me on thank

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you I appreciate it and I appreciate

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your patience because I know when I left

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to Russia things were changed around a

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lot and I think I think we arrange your

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schedule like five times

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really I'm pretty easy but I can usually

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you know I can usually come a day it's

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usually not so hey what got you

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interested in the first place in writing

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about these topics well you know is one

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of those things

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ever since I was a kid I've been

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interested in you know paranormal topics

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just you know fringe tight topics that

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sort of thing and and Lake Monsters

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specifically I kind of really kind of

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got introduced to that through an

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unsolved mysteries episode kind of

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dating myself you know that was my

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favorite show back in high school and I

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remember uh they did an episode on the

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Ogopogo and I can remember to this day

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you know Robert Stack had a had a

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graphic up with all these little dots on

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it of all these lake monster locations

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around the world you know and I'd really

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you know kind of yeah you knew about the

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Loch Ness monster but I didn't know it

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was so widespread you know and so I just

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just kind of got into it and then just

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over the years uh just ran up as much as

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I could and things like that and uh you

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know a couple years ago three or four

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years ago after I turned 40 I kind of

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you know I'd always wanted to write a

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book you know and just kind of like why

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don't I write a book on lake monsters

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these guys took all right yeah I really

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liked unsolved mysteries as well there

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was yeah they did a really good job you

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know I've talked to a number of people

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on different incidences in other words

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Rendlesham forest and things like that

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and they they said that you know they

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acted an excellent job no no overdoing

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no exaggerating or very little of it and

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that seldom happens in a show like that

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usually they really you know add a lot

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to it so yeah yeah so I find this I've

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always found this interesting the Loch

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Ness monster had me intrigued since I

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was a really young and but there's some

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controversy about the famous picture

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some people saying that it is a hoax um

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people are saying it's not a hoax

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what are your thoughts about that in

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particular as far as I can tell I mean

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it's it seems like that that picture I

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think they they kind of call it the

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surgeon's for

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though the iconic picture like the neck

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sticking out of the water

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you know I from everything that I've

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been able to kind of read on it and

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everything it seems like it I kind of

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leaned toward more it being a hoax but

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with that being said I don't think the

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Loch Ness monster itself is you know

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necessarily a hoax I think that you know

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just because a you know a few pictures

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or what-have-you or faked that you know

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to me that doesn't you know take away

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from from the plausibility of the

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creatures you know and you know right

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off the bat I want to say what are

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people thinking these are left over

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dinosaurs is that what that is that what

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they're thinking that's I mean you know

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there's different camps on it and that's

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kind of the that's kind of the camp that

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I you know come down on that you know

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something that a you know should be

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extinct or we think is extinct but you

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know there's for whatever reason of a

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few holdovers of managed to survive into

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the present day I mean there's a lot of

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other I've heard some other theories of

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some think that these things are you

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know some kind of like giant salamander

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type thing giant eel heard that and then

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a lot of people think that it's it's not

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a flesh-and-blood creature at all that

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we're talking about but something more

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than a yeah like paranormal realm you

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know or like an apparition or whatever

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for the lack of a better term out Wow

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Tahoe for a while and that is extremely

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deep I think it's 1400 feet deep and I

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just remember you know a lot of times I

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go swimming it's very cold like by the

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way but yeah a lot of times I I'd go

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swimming and you know I always get this

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feeling like you know the so far below

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you and anything could be there I don't

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know if anyone's ever seen anything on

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Lake Tahoe but I know that a lot of

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major bodies of water in the world

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people have seen things you know and

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then you go

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back into historical times and they were

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talking about mermaids and sea serpents

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you know as they're crossing the ocean

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hundreds and hundreds of years ago as

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far as the lake monsters reported

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historically do you know how early of

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ones have been reported well I mean if

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you if you go back like in the say Lake

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Champlain for instance up in Vermont

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there's documented reports there from I

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believe from the 1600s and like Okanagan

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Lake you know where the Ogopogo lives up

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in British Columbia you know as soon as

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you know European explorers and settlers

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or you know moved in there yeah they

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started seeing things and there were you

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know native the native people there had

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a lot of legends and then you know a lot

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of these places on like a British

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Columbia and you know again back in the

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Lake Champlain era Quebec New York

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Vermont there's there's petroglyphs and

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things yeah

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like it looks like you know a giant lake

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monster you know so so you know these

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these tales they go way back you know

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that the documented reports I mean a lot

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of those you know they they come with

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the early early settlers in areas right

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right

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and Lake Champlain do they call that

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champy right is that what they call ya

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champ champion yeah has anyone ever

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taken a picture of that one in

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particular that you're aware of yeah

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there's there's actually lots of

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pictures on there's lots of videos

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there's lots of pictures of course it's

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uh you know it's hard to a lot of times

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trust what you're what you're looking at

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but there's a very famous photograph the

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Mansi photographs and romancey I believe

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it was 1977 she took a picture that you

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know a lot of people try to debunk it

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and say it's a you you know like a stone

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looks kind of like the you know the

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knack of a dinosaur like creature and

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the photos been analyzed so you know it

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may not be a lake monster but its it's

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not you know it's not a fake it's you

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know it's authentic it's been analyzed

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and and you know there's there's quite a

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few photographs like that out there you

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know the different locations to you know

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up in Aachen augen Lake there's been a

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lot of you know photos there so yeah

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there are there are pictures um in a lot

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of the modern-day pictures I kind of

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like the older ones myself because

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nowadays with you know that anybody can

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you know can Photoshop you know pretty

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easily in today's but yeah there's

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there's yeah there have been you know

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quite a few pictures but you know

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smoking gun yeah that's always the

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problem with about anything in this in

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this realm there's no smoking gun you

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know not yet as of yet I got lost on a

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lake champlain I had an antique boat

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that I took there with a girlfriend at

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the time and we went way out on some

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Island we went swimming and the day got

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longer and longer and I thought wow they

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would be really fun to putt around at

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night so I started putting around at

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night and I it took me until I think it

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was three o'clock in the morning by the

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time I found my way back that is a huge

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lake and I did get into coves that there

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were a lot of like stump sticking up and

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things like that so was that in

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particular was that as far as you know

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one that was flooded or has that always

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just been a large lake like a glacier or

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lake and I think it's a it's a it's a

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glacial lake but I think if I'm if I'm

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remembering right that whole area there

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was underwater at you know at some point

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in the past so it is a glacial lake but

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but then I believe that entire area was

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you know like a shallow sea at some

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point I see and it's that's true of a

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lot of these lakes you know that that

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had these sightings you know they were

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either you know glazed

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Lakes or else you know part of you know

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like an inland city you know a lot of

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these ladies know there was one one a

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lake monster that was seen that I was

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listening to briefly that was actually

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they flooded like a town for a reservoir

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and so they've seen one since you know

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this town this dam was built and it was

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flooded not to say that there wasn't

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some type of lake there before but I

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just thought that was that one was kind

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of in particular was kind of a tough one

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to swallow if it wasn't you know a lake

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there for a long time because you would

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think yeah yeah yeah that's that's

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that's true like Lake Norman North

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Carolina there's a supposed to be it

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there's a lot of sightings of like a

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lake monster down there Harrington lake

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and Kentucky the same thing there

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there's a there's a lake down in

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Argentina that you know it began a

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man-made lake and you know people report

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seeing things in there so yeah I'm kind

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of kind of with you it's it's hard to do

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them you know it's hard to believe but

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at the same time you know there are some

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anomalies even in these man-made Lakes

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what do you think I know if they've done

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a lot of searching and research on at

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Lake Ness Loch Ness

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so in Scotland heavy ever have they ever

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picked up anything on radar that as far

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as you know that was unexplainable or

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anything like that you know I mean I've

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heard of a lot of you know sonar imagery

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and that sort of thing yeah that's been

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you know you know like things that are

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you know third and definitely not got a

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fish you know there have been a you know

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a lot of those I don't know about a lot

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but you know I have heard several

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instances of that and yeah Loch Ness end

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a lot of other lakes you know to and

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I've had people

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had one person contact me shortly after

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I wrote my first book and you know he

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was talking about he was out on Lake

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Champlain and they picked up a like a

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sonar image of something yeah you know

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25 feet long that there abouts so yeah

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that that does happen you know again

302
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though there's never really been any

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kind of smoking gun but yeah those those

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things do occur quite a bit what and

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other parts of let's say paranormal or

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even UFOs or things like that we always

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rely on witness testimony so I guess I

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would want to ask you this question what

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what would you consider is the best

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well there's been a number of you know

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these these reports you know by by I

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really like when you get a like an

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eyewitness account like say and you know

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not to put one profession above another

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or anything like that but you know like

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when you get reports like from police

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officers and the reason I'd like to get

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you know read about their testimony

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because they're they're trained to

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observe things that happen quickly you

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know in their line of work they have to

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you know they've got to be on the

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witness stand and recount in court you

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know things that that they've that

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they've witnessed and so so you know

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they are trained observers of things

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that happen you know split-second boom

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boom you know so so when you get reports

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from you know like police officers

330
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things like that that really you know

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that really kind of hits home with me

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and and then on top of that you know for

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them to come forward you know when they

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do come forward we know with their name

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and that sort of thing that you know

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that that's kind of they're really kind

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of sticking their neck out there with

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their credibility and stuff so that that

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really you know maybe it wasn't a lake

340
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monster they saw but they definitely saw

341
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something that you know was strange now

342
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do any of these things cross over

343
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- ocean sightings you know similar

344
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sightings that people see in ocean and

345
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contemporary times yeah I mean there are

346
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you know a lot of the lake monster

347
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you know the descriptions of Lake

348
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Monsters are often you know quite

349
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similar if not at times identical do

350
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some of the things that that are

351
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reported in the oceans as well so then

352
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that leads a lot of speculation a lot of

353
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these lakes are rumored to have these

354
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underground passages that lead out to

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the sea that's that's a rumor with the

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Loch Ness Lake Champlain Okanagan Lake

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and others so you know that's always

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something you know I kind of keep in the

359
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back of my mind if there if there was

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some sort of you know passage you know

361
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to get to the sea that maybe that's why

362
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you don't yeah you don't see these

363
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things regularly you know and they've

364
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got that travel route but yeah and a lot

365
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of times the you know the sea you know

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the sea serpents a lot of times they the

367
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reports of those or sometimes a lot

368
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bigger than the lake monsters you know

369
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sometimes you know people who report

370
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them being over 100 feet but uh you know

371
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uh a lot of times they're they're pretty

372
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close to the lake monster description a

373
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live you know there's there's mysteries

374
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with the the giant squid that could be

375
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just you know absolutely huge yeah so

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yeah and there's just you know the sea

377
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for instance the ocean is just so

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unexplored I mean I think yeah I've

379
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heard it said that we know more about

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the moon's surface and we do about the

381
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ocean floor yeah yeah and it's it's so

382
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it's so deep and and in in places and

383
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you know there's just there there's not

384
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a lot a lot of way to know what's really

385
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down there and and you know a lot of a

386
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lot of the the species they find you

387
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know in the real depths it looks like

388
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alien life Omo it doesn't even look

389
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really right now does is there any type

390
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of correlation to the depth of a lake as

391
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far as what

392
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are as far as people sing menthe and

393
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Lake Monsters there well I think that

394
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there is and that's not to say that

395
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things aren't seen in shallow lakes

396
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because you know you do get sightings

397
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and shallow lakes just like we were

398
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talking a moment ago man-made lakes and

399
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things but you know the bulk of your

400
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sightings or in these glacial lakes and

401
00:18:37,519 --> 00:18:32,700
they are normally very deep you know I

402
00:18:40,669 --> 00:18:37,529
think I think Loch Ness is um 750 feet

403
00:18:44,389 --> 00:18:40,679
deep there abouts Lake Champlain I think

404
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like 450 remember how deep Bakken OGG

405
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and late gets but I know it's it's well

406
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over 200 feet deep so yeah these these

407
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really deep lakes and Lake Tahoe you

408
00:19:00,499 --> 00:18:56,850
know like you were saying from you know

409
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14 15 however deep it is I know it's

410
00:19:05,379 --> 00:19:02,340
really deep but yeah there's sightings

411
00:19:08,899 --> 00:19:05,389
there as well and so these these deep

412
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glacial lakes for whatever reason there

413
00:19:13,249 --> 00:19:11,249
there's a correlation there for sure so

414
00:19:15,649 --> 00:19:13,259
actually I I didn't know that there were

415
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:15,659
actually sightings on lake tahoe there

416
00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:19,679
actually happen yeah yeah they're

417
00:19:24,889 --> 00:19:22,440
they're not as common or there's not as

418
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many as you know say Lake Champlain but

419
00:19:29,180 --> 00:19:27,210
yeah there's definitely quite a few

420
00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:29,190
reports from there and I actually

421
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,340
included a little section on on Lake

422
00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:34,559
Tahoe and in my first book people are

423
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:36,769
seeing something and yeah there's

424
00:19:41,629 --> 00:19:38,820
there's there's been a number of

425
00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:41,639
sightings in a couple by divers there's

426
00:19:50,779 --> 00:19:46,580
been you know strange just a lot of

427
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:50,789
strange reports of you know these the

428
00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:54,210
lake monster stares it's really uh it's

429
00:19:59,659 --> 00:19:57,419
the phenomenon is really widespread I

430
00:20:02,810 --> 00:19:59,669
mean if you you know most of these big

431
00:20:04,999 --> 00:20:02,820
big lakes like that there's um there's

432
00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:05,009
usually at least been a few reports and

433
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:07,740
I was talking to divers your years ago

434
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from university that were exploring the

435
00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:13,919
bottom of a lake in Maine called Great

436
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:16,529
East Lake now it's only 200 some odd

437
00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:19,530
feet deep it's not a real real deep lake

438
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:21,299
when I was talking to this guy he was

439
00:20:27,409 --> 00:20:23,130
saying there was these little caverns

440
00:20:29,930 --> 00:20:27,419
like at the bottom and he went in with a

441
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:29,940
light and and one and saw what he

442
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:31,860
considered was about an 80-pound

443
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:34,610
called it a taupe he said it's like a

444
00:20:41,930 --> 00:20:37,740
large lake trout that just you know

445
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:41,940
grows and grows and and so you know it's

446
00:20:46,669 --> 00:20:44,039
just amazing they you think of these

447
00:20:48,919 --> 00:20:46,679
caverns and these animals that just you

448
00:20:52,940 --> 00:20:48,929
know live on and on not animals for fish

449
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:52,950
or whatever who knows you know the limit

450
00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:56,130
to the size they can get and they're

451
00:21:01,700 --> 00:20:57,929
usually pretty smart if they live that

452
00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:01,710
long yeah and and you know they they

453
00:21:06,350 --> 00:21:03,809
know how to they know how to keep hidden

454
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:06,360
and and and like you're saying there's a

455
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,940
lot of these a lot of these Lakes like

456
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Lake Tahoe you know they're there are a

457
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lot of caverns and lava tubes that sort

458
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of thing and and one of the reports that

459
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I put it in my book was up of a diver

460
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and he was you know he was looking into

461
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:26,640
it

462
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you know into one of those caverns and

463
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you know like a like a large eel-like

464
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:34,789
creature like him bursting out of it is

465
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and and you know so so those things on

466
00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:41,549
you know those kind of reports they're

467
00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:43,740
definitely there and so um yeah who

468
00:21:48,169 --> 00:21:45,240
knows what could be down there is the

469
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way I look at it and you know and and

470
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one thing you know people people kind of

471
00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:55,260
try to poke holes in the lake monster

472
00:22:00,919 --> 00:21:58,200
things saying well you know you need you

473
00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:00,929
know you need colonies and you know

474
00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:04,460
breeding populations and you do but um

475
00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:07,020
these things could live a really long

476
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times one thing that I kind of kind of

477
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point to like the Greenland sharks that

478
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,590
you know they they came came out you

479
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,720
know earlier in the year you know saying

480
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that they can live you know over 430

481
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,340
years so you know maybe these lake

482
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,100
monsters um you know if they have

483
00:22:31,970 --> 00:22:29,280
incredibly long lifespans you know you

484
00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:31,980
don't need as many of them you know to

485
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:33,150
keep

486
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population going so that's that's kind

487
00:22:39,799 --> 00:22:38,550
of something that I've always done yeah

488
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:39,809
yeah how about that

489
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,850
and I know that lifespans have a lot to

490
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:43,380
do with evolution the changes in

491
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:46,890
evolution so you know these could be

492
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:50,730
from somewhere way back and just you

493
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:54,090
know slowly evolving you know in small

494
00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:57,840
colonies someone in the chat room wanted

495
00:23:02,210 --> 00:23:00,600
to know if you had in reports about the

496
00:23:04,730 --> 00:23:02,220
monster and the man-made lake

497
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:04,740
Thunderbird in Lake Thunderbird in

498
00:23:11,860 --> 00:23:06,330
Oklahoma have you ever heard of anything

499
00:23:14,290 --> 00:23:11,870
there yeah I actually in my book I

500
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:14,300
included a chapter on the Oklahoma

501
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:18,090
octopus and that is that's one of those

502
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:20,910
creatures that were supposed creature

503
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:24,450
that that inhabits you know I set up I

504
00:23:28,460 --> 00:23:26,850
think three man-made lakes in Oklahoma

505
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:28,470
Lake Thunderbird and there were a couple

506
00:23:33,740 --> 00:23:30,450
others I can't really remember their

507
00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:33,750
names off the top of my head but at any

508
00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:36,510
rate there was them there were these

509
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:40,760
reports going around back in around

510
00:23:48,380 --> 00:23:45,450
2007-2008 for lack of a better word like

511
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:48,390
like a freshwater octopus that you know

512
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:50,490
that was um you know like grabbing

513
00:23:55,549 --> 00:23:53,220
people and rounded them and that sort of

514
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:55,559
thing so uh I put a little chapter on

515
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:58,650
that in my book um I think that that is

516
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:01,740
more I don't believe in the Oklahoma off

517
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:04,170
the bus I think that though I think if

518
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:05,580
you really mean when you really get down

519
00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:08,280
to it a lot of they're resolved there

520
00:24:13,100 --> 00:24:10,470
was a show on Animal Planet called

521
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called The Lost Tapes and they did an

522
00:24:17,210 --> 00:24:15,420
episode on it and and pretty much

523
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:17,220
everything that you read about with the

524
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:19,679
Oklahoma octopus can kind of be traced

525
00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:21,960
back to that episode it's it's almost

526
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,540
like someone you know got some

527
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:26,220
information off that show and just

528
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,650
started posting it and they just you

529
00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:30,960
know kind of went from there but it it

530
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:33,300
is a it is kind of a cool story you know

531
00:24:39,260 --> 00:24:36,179
the some of the folklore behind it and

532
00:24:42,860 --> 00:24:39,270
and and you know and there was there was

533
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:42,870
for real and uptick of drownings I think

534
00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:46,040
around 2007-2008 timeframe

535
00:24:50,650 --> 00:24:48,470
so so there was you know something it

536
00:24:53,050 --> 00:24:50,660
was going on in the water but I don't I

537
00:24:54,730 --> 00:24:53,060
don't think it was an octopus yeah I

538
00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:54,740
want to talk to you a little bit about

539
00:24:58,840 --> 00:24:56,420
the different types of things people are

540
00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:58,850
claiming they see but while we're on

541
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:01,010
this subject of for the people drowning

542
00:25:08,050 --> 00:25:05,090
are there reports of like these things

543
00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:08,060
attacking people besides that from in

544
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:11,780
other leaks well I've heard you know I

545
00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:14,810
have heard of you know most of you know

546
00:25:19,090 --> 00:25:17,240
boats being attacked and you know you

547
00:25:21,940 --> 00:25:19,100
don't really hear a whole lot of you

548
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:21,950
know people being attacked but you know

549
00:25:26,410 --> 00:25:24,080
there are some instances you know where

550
00:25:29,260 --> 00:25:26,420
people have been fitting and and you

551
00:25:31,630 --> 00:25:29,270
know maybe you know I think a lot of

552
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:31,640
times maybe that's you know something

553
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:34,610
maybe like a muskie you know some you

554
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:36,530
know a pike or you know some kind of

555
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:38,510
fish like that baby but you know there

556
00:25:45,580 --> 00:25:41,680
are there are a few instances I've heard

557
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:45,590
you know some of the sea serpent stories

558
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:49,310
of course you know you get especially

559
00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:52,090
the older ones you know you hear yeah

560
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:54,860
like you know again boats being attacked

561
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:56,930
or people in the water being attacked

562
00:26:01,570 --> 00:25:59,210
but for the most part you know it's

563
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:01,580
usually just somebody sees a like an

564
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:03,740
undulating you know body in the water

565
00:26:09,580 --> 00:26:06,130
and that sort of thing uh-huh

566
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:09,590
now other you were saying that there

567
00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:14,480
some boats so I'm picturing that these

568
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:16,310
are boats like still in the water maybe

569
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:18,590
anchored or something like that or not

570
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:20,390
boats like traveling across the water

571
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:23,450
would would there be yeah you usually

572
00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:26,420
hear like you know like a li you know

573
00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:29,030
like small boats that people are fishing

574
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:30,580
in that sort of thing

575
00:26:38,830 --> 00:26:35,290
you know I I I've read read about a

576
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:38,840
newspaper article from about 140 years

577
00:26:45,370 --> 00:26:42,850
ago where you know two fishermen were

578
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:45,380
we're out on a lake in New York

579
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:49,370
Cayuga Lake I guess it is and now anyway

580
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:53,570
they had hit some fish some fish and

581
00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:56,570
some baskets behind the boat and I guess

582
00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:58,670
the lake monster or whatever grabbed a

583
00:27:03,360 --> 00:26:58,990
whole

584
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:03,370
those you know pulled it taut and and

585
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:06,570
you know eventually the you know the

586
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:09,490
creature like took a lunge at the bow

587
00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:11,950
and you know that that sort of thing it

588
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,350
usually it's more the you know smaller

589
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:17,200
like fishing boats that I've heard the

590
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:20,890
things like that oh wow

591
00:27:26,310 --> 00:27:24,279
okay sorry I have to adjust something

592
00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:26,320
happen to our screen here hang on just a

593
00:27:35,899 --> 00:27:27,700
second

594
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:38,850
nothing changing okay here we go okay

595
00:27:49,710 --> 00:27:45,850
it's back to normal okay so and in your

596
00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:49,720
research have you come across any cases

597
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:53,230
where there was like and like in UFOs

598
00:27:58,350 --> 00:27:55,090
they call like massive sightings you

599
00:27:58,590 --> 00:27:58,360
know many many witnesses all at once you

600
00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:58,600
know

601
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:00,130
seeing something to me that would add a

602
00:28:05,659 --> 00:28:02,770
heck of a lot of credibility to to

603
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:05,669
something are there mass sightings

604
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:08,770
yeah sure there's there's lots of them

605
00:28:14,730 --> 00:28:12,130
now one that I can think of I don't

606
00:28:17,610 --> 00:28:14,740
remember what year I want to say 2005 I

607
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:17,620
could be off but in Lake Tahoe

608
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:22,140
I think about maybe like five people

609
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:24,850
salts or something at the same time I

610
00:28:29,970 --> 00:28:27,909
think we you know like a jogger and you

611
00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:29,980
know several other people that you know

612
00:28:37,409 --> 00:28:33,880
that we're outside they saw something up

613
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:37,419
in aachen Augen Lake the Ogopogo

614
00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:40,330
there's several instances where you know

615
00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:43,000
where that's been they have cited by a

616
00:28:49,529 --> 00:28:45,640
lot of different people one was a lot of

617
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:49,539
a lot of people on a beach I want to I'm

618
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:52,289
trying to think I think it's like over

619
00:28:59,310 --> 00:28:56,140
17 20 people I can't remember now how

620
00:29:01,440 --> 00:28:59,320
many exactly but that you know that was

621
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:01,450
something and it was reported in the

622
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:03,610
newspapers up there I want to say that

623
00:29:10,289 --> 00:29:07,600
that was around 1920's 1930's but you

624
00:29:12,530 --> 00:29:10,299
know there are you know instances like

625
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:12,540
that and you know like on

626
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:16,740
in the Grand Lakes and on Lake Champlain

627
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:19,870
you know back when people used to there

628
00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:22,570
were you know the steamship passenger

629
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:25,150
boats there were you know a lot of

630
00:29:30,420 --> 00:29:27,850
sightings like that that occurred so

631
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:30,430
yeah there have been a lot of these mass

632
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:32,410
sighting what would you consider the

633
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:36,100
most active of all it sounds like

634
00:29:41,210 --> 00:29:38,680
Champlain is that is that it or there

635
00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:41,220
are other lakes that are more active

636
00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:44,740
yeah you know it's hard for me to say

637
00:29:51,890 --> 00:29:48,580
but as from what I can tell that

638
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:51,900
certainly seems to be the place with the

639
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,600
you know the most documented reports I

640
00:30:01,170 --> 00:29:58,480
want to say that there's over 600 I

641
00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:01,180
could I could be off give or take a

642
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,400
hundred you know but there there

643
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:05,440
definitely are a lot of documented

644
00:30:09,630 --> 00:30:07,570
reports there and there's a lot of

645
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:09,640
people that better up they're looking to

646
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:12,610
you know oh yeah I know that's a college

647
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,090
town Mike you know my nephew went there

648
00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:18,640
and there's a you know there's a lot of

649
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:21,150
activity on the lake around there and

650
00:30:25,530 --> 00:30:23,890
it's beautiful and at borders of the

651
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,540
state of New York

652
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:27,760
how many miles do you have to know how

653
00:30:36,420 --> 00:30:32,590
big Lake Champlain is man I had it in my

654
00:30:39,150 --> 00:30:36,430
butt I want this I could be also if I'm

655
00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:39,160
wrong please don't kill me this would be

656
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:42,430
on the spotlight oh yeah oh say it's

657
00:30:46,500 --> 00:30:44,350
like a hundred and eighty miles long now

658
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:46,510
I might like I said I might be off but I

659
00:30:51,300 --> 00:30:48,550
know it's you know it's not that wide

660
00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:51,310
but it's very long and it's very long

661
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:54,280
and narrow I mean I know that he create

662
00:30:58,260 --> 00:30:55,960
a little piece of it goes all the way up

663
00:31:00,660 --> 00:30:58,270
into Kobach so I know it's you know

664
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:00,670
pretty long and that's a that is another

665
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:06,640
glacial lake yeah it and you know if you

666
00:31:11,340 --> 00:31:09,430
look on a map you know there's just like

667
00:31:13,260 --> 00:31:11,350
like in the North E you know really in

668
00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:13,270
the northern United States and Canada

669
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:15,880
there's just like all these little you

670
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:16,810
know just looks

671
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,170
yeah like though you know you can you

672
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:22,000
can just see where all these glaciers

673
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:24,250
you know we're moving and just you know

674
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,580
just you know cut in

675
00:31:29,620 --> 00:31:27,440
cut into the earth and it's just

676
00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:29,630
backfilled and you know for whatever

677
00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:32,780
reason all many of these lakes have

678
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:35,780
these sightings today now are they

679
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:40,010
seeing the the so-called monsters like

680
00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:44,710
champion a seeing him or her in the same

681
00:31:51,340 --> 00:31:49,940
area or set all over the lake well I

682
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:51,350
think that there's you know there are

683
00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:54,490
certain areas that you know that people

684
00:32:01,480 --> 00:31:58,310
have more of the sightings but yeah I

685
00:32:03,970 --> 00:32:01,490
think that they're that pretty much

686
00:32:04,990 --> 00:32:03,980
anywhere on the lake there there have

687
00:32:10,150 --> 00:32:05,000
been reports

688
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:10,160
okay how about nighttime sightings yeah

689
00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:12,710
I have heard of nighttime sightings um I

690
00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:14,630
don't really have a whole lot of those

691
00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:18,230
in my book but you know I know that

692
00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:21,020
nowadays people are you know setting up

693
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,720
the game cameras and that sort of thing

694
00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:26,120
that you know that you know can get

695
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:28,280
nighttime pictures and yeah so that yeah

696
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:29,930
this is definitely something that's uh

697
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,650
that happens now I also heard that they

698
00:32:39,100 --> 00:32:36,080
for one of the lakes you probably even

699
00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:39,110
mentioned the lake as as we're talking

700
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:42,110
about this but I'm not sure which lake

701
00:32:47,470 --> 00:32:44,600
it was but they found like a large set

702
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:47,480
of Jaws and part of a skeleton part of a

703
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:49,970
backbone or spine or something are you

704
00:32:56,020 --> 00:32:52,610
aware of that and was that a hoax as far

705
00:32:58,090 --> 00:32:56,030
as you know I've heard I've heard of

706
00:33:01,540 --> 00:32:58,100
that I can't remember what Lake it's on

707
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:01,550
and I don't I'm sorry I don't have I

708
00:33:08,050 --> 00:33:03,710
don't really have any information oh

709
00:33:11,380 --> 00:33:08,060
yeah okay and since I'm on the topic of

710
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:11,390
hoaxes is there a lot of you you're

711
00:33:16,150 --> 00:33:13,490
talking about today there's digital

712
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:16,160
images and Photoshop and all that are

713
00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:18,980
there a lot of what you see today is is

714
00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:21,500
hoaxes and you know people playing with

715
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,990
photos yeah I definitely you know I that

716
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:29,120
that's kind of why I was saying that I

717
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:32,510
really like a lot of the old black and

718
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,120
white photos from the 60s or you know

719
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,820
the old a lot of the old 8-millimeter

720
00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:40,640
you know the old home movies you know I

721
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:43,520
I kind of like a lot better than some of

722
00:33:48,130 --> 00:33:45,290
the some of the stuff you see today but

723
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:48,140
those you know there is a lot of CGI you

724
00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:50,210
know stuff out there I think they're

725
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:52,280
really that kind of spills over more

726
00:33:58,330 --> 00:33:55,490
into the UFO sightings but but

727
00:34:01,480 --> 00:33:58,340
definitely there's there's been a lot of

728
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:01,490
photoshop and fakes deal with the lake

729
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:05,330
monster things now what about the Great

730
00:34:11,260 --> 00:34:09,100
Lakes what's going on in the Great Lakes

731
00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:11,270
yeah there's definitely been a lot of

732
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:13,429
sightings in the Great Lakes there's

733
00:34:21,700 --> 00:34:18,230
probably the most famous there's a South

734
00:34:24,669 --> 00:34:21,710
Bay bassy and and there's been some up

735
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:24,679
in you know Lake Michigan and in some of

736
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:26,630
that area but you know the Bessy

737
00:34:33,970 --> 00:34:30,020
sightings they um you know know around

738
00:34:37,630 --> 00:34:33,980
Ohio they um they go back to the I want

739
00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:37,640
to say the 1700s and there's a I think I

740
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:39,860
put one one of the reports in my book

741
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:43,570
where uh where somebody shot at it I

742
00:34:48,970 --> 00:34:46,159
don't remember with a musket or

743
00:34:52,630 --> 00:34:48,980
you know old musket or or or whatever

744
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:52,640
but yeah so so those go back and you

745
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:54,500
know especially you know back when

746
00:35:00,070 --> 00:34:56,960
though when there was a lot more um you

747
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:00,080
know passenger you know passenger boat

748
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,260
traffic and that sort of thing there

749
00:35:07,450 --> 00:35:05,420
definitely a lot of reports someone in

750
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:07,460
the chatroom wanted to know about are

751
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:09,890
there any River Monsters like in deep

752
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:14,240
rivers yeah sure you do get those it

753
00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:16,610
seems more common with with the lake

754
00:35:23,350 --> 00:35:20,600
monsters but them I included one in my

755
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:23,360
book the white river monster in Arkansas

756
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:27,890
and in Missouri and that that's that's

757
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:32,150
not really your stereotypical you know

758
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:35,900
sea serpent type that that seems to be

759
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:39,950
more of almost like an out of place

760
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:44,990
seal or or something like that but and

761
00:35:49,809 --> 00:35:47,210
it was it was it kind of it kind of

762
00:35:52,449 --> 00:35:49,819
appeared in the 30s went away and

763
00:35:54,009 --> 00:35:52,459
appeared again in the 70s and so reports

764
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:54,019
of that there were you know a few

765
00:35:59,739 --> 00:35:56,420
outbreaks and then kind of real sporadic

766
00:36:02,880 --> 00:35:59,749
from there but so you've had that and

767
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:02,890
you know a lot of your River Monsters um

768
00:36:09,579 --> 00:36:05,390
you know a lot of times they're they're

769
00:36:11,949 --> 00:36:09,589
more like giant fish or turtles you

770
00:36:14,890 --> 00:36:11,959
don't you know you don't really get get

771
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:14,900
as much of the typical Lake Monsters and

772
00:36:21,459 --> 00:36:17,089
the rivers not to say that it doesn't

773
00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:21,469
happen but there's a couple people in

774
00:36:25,209 --> 00:36:23,209
the chatroom notice and I have noticed

775
00:36:28,029 --> 00:36:25,219
too there's a there's like a clicking

776
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:28,039
noise I'm not sure if it's your if it's

777
00:36:32,709 --> 00:36:29,630
anything to do with your computer or not

778
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:32,719
but we keep hearing a clicking noise in

779
00:36:37,479 --> 00:36:35,420
the audio here so just be aware of that

780
00:36:38,829 --> 00:36:37,489
and maybe a lot of times people when

781
00:36:40,209 --> 00:36:38,839
they're talking they move their hands

782
00:36:42,099 --> 00:36:40,219
and I don't know if that's something

783
00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:42,109
you're doing but I just thought I'd ask

784
00:36:47,410 --> 00:36:43,339
you if there's anything you're doing

785
00:36:51,279 --> 00:36:47,420
that might be making that noise so now

786
00:36:54,339 --> 00:36:51,289
what about the oh is it Ogopogo how do

787
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:54,349
you say that yeah okay yeah can you

788
00:37:00,039 --> 00:36:56,180
describe what people are seeing and

789
00:37:06,759 --> 00:37:00,049
where that is yeah it's an aqua noggin

790
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:06,769
lake in British Columbia and it's a 20

791
00:37:12,609 --> 00:37:09,140
you know 30 40 feet long kind of

792
00:37:15,699 --> 00:37:12,619
serpentine and apparent some dark in

793
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:15,709
color you know kind of moves with the

794
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:21,529
vertical undulations I you know I some

795
00:37:28,569 --> 00:37:23,900
people reported you know seeing like big

796
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:28,579
like grapefruit sized eyes with it but

797
00:37:34,089 --> 00:37:31,249
yeah and that's kind of typical of a lot

798
00:37:36,910 --> 00:37:34,099
of your uh your Lake Monsters they they

799
00:37:39,339 --> 00:37:36,920
seem to have a similar description huh

800
00:37:42,489 --> 00:37:39,349
now have you ever heard if someone just

801
00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:42,499
put this in the okay he's joking

802
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:46,579
nevermind okay now what about Native

803
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:50,140
American tales as far as you know like

804
00:37:59,789 --> 00:37:55,420
any any Native American stories on like

805
00:38:03,050 --> 00:37:59,799
monsters or whatever yeah yeah sure

806
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:03,060
we were talking about the White River MA

807
00:38:09,740 --> 00:38:05,610
for just now and there's a there's a

808
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:09,750
tale of a Braves canoe being flipped

809
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:14,520
over by by that creature and and the

810
00:38:23,690 --> 00:38:19,920
Ogopogo supposedly the Native Americans

811
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:23,700
you know the the Ogopogo supposedly

812
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,240
lives and around rattlesnake island on

813
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,420
the lake at a near place called squally

814
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,780
point and so before the Native Americans

815
00:38:38,570 --> 00:38:35,820
would cross in their canoes they would

816
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:38,580
take a sacrifice to you know throw like

817
00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,060
a like a chicken or a dog or something

818
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:45,000
to throw overboard to appease the

819
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:46,680
creature you know to give them safe

820
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,290
passage you know and you know you've got

821
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,200
the tails where you know like like a

822
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:54,480
white person would you know come along

823
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,420
and kind of make fun of it and not you

824
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:00,480
know not honor with the sacrifice and in

825
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:02,910
you know the you know it's canoe being

826
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,550
flipped over and you know not being seen

827
00:39:09,350 --> 00:39:07,560
again and that sort of thing so you know

828
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:09,360
there's a lot of those old tales it's

829
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:11,130
it's hard to yeah they're hard to

830
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:14,400
document it's hard to you know know if

831
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:16,830
they're true or false but there are some

832
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:19,110
pretty cool stories like that when

833
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:23,160
someone sees I'm talking maybe in the

834
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:26,280
United States not worldwide but if

835
00:39:30,350 --> 00:39:29,730
someone sees something in a lake what do

836
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:30,360
they do

837
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:32,610
I mean how do they report it do they

838
00:39:37,850 --> 00:39:35,190
report it to a newspaper police

839
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,860
department or what is a typical

840
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:41,040
reporting of something like that well

841
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:44,010
yeah I mean it's a variety of ways I

842
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,010
mean luckily now you know we've got the

843
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:49,680
internet so you can you know you can go

844
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:53,610
on and like Lake Norman or down in North

845
00:39:59,420 --> 00:39:55,530
Carolina there's there's a there's a

846
00:40:02,570 --> 00:39:59,430
site just for just for you to put your

847
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:02,580
sighting in and you know so nowadays

848
00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:06,210
it's a little bit easier but yeah like

849
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:10,940
in Lake Erie you know back in the 90s

850
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:14,250
there there's been reports for people to

851
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:16,440
report their sighting to a car

852
00:40:21,980 --> 00:40:19,410
Grainger yeah I guess some people have

853
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:21,990
probably reported them you know to do

854
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:24,839
the police as well that sort of thing so

855
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:27,030
yeah that variety you know there's no

856
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:30,660
you know one-size-fits-all answer for

857
00:40:37,099 --> 00:40:33,660
that a lot of these lakes do have you

858
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:37,109
know dedicated researchers that long the

859
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:39,480
sightings but you know not all of them

860
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:43,859
do yeah that's and I imagine just the

861
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,950
way it is with UFO sightings that a lot

862
00:40:52,609 --> 00:40:49,200
of people decide they're not going to

863
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:52,619
say anything so you know what what we're

864
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:55,140
getting for reports is a lot of people

865
00:41:01,520 --> 00:40:57,630
that just don't talk about it now have

866
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:01,530
you ever have you ever interviewed a

867
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:04,920
witness that you know came forward

868
00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:06,690
because they saw your book or something

869
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:08,550
like that but yet not reported it

870
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:13,650
previously yeah I mean several people

871
00:41:18,349 --> 00:41:16,170
you know after my book come out I mean

872
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:18,359
you'd be surprised how many people are

873
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:21,180
just um you know inbox me on Twitter and

874
00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:23,220
and you know tell me about their I've

875
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,150
got many from Lake Champlain and you

876
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:29,940
know and yeah they they didn't really

877
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:33,000
you know want to you know give their you

878
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:35,579
know their real name or I mean I had

879
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,200
some of their names but you know they

880
00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:39,119
they would just tell me you know like

881
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:42,390
hey you know I what you're talking about

882
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:45,000
it's a real because I saw it myself or

883
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:47,880
that sort of thing and yes I've had that

884
00:41:52,460 --> 00:41:50,030
quite a bit after my book came out

885
00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:52,470
people you know people hitting me up

886
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,510
from from all over the country

887
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:57,000
you know reporting things that they'd

888
00:42:01,400 --> 00:41:58,650
say you know a lot of us you know I saw

889
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,410
this 20 years ago or this or that but

890
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:04,079
yeah are most people seeing these things

891
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:08,280
from the shoreline or Rob or people in

892
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:12,390
boats well you get both and and a lot of

893
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:14,730
these even you know people people

894
00:42:19,790 --> 00:42:17,010
driving in their cars along the lakes

895
00:42:22,099 --> 00:42:19,800
and stuff that that's where a lot of

896
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,109
there's been a lot of uptick sand in

897
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:24,960
sightings as new roads have been built

898
00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:28,380
along legs you know that that people

899
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:30,030
would would be able to you know

900
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:31,590
see them when they're driving by where

901
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:34,410
they weren't able to before so it you

902
00:42:41,210 --> 00:42:36,650
know it's just boats it's you know it's

903
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,220
cars you know from the bank and and even

904
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:43,920
up in Alaska you know a lot of the bush

905
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:47,250
planes have seen the scene you know

906
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:48,780
seeing things in the water from bush

907
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:50,040
planes oh really

908
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,600
Wow I never even thought of that so if

909
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:54,240
you see something from a plane you get a

910
00:42:58,700 --> 00:42:56,850
whole different perspective of it you

911
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:58,710
can see it down in through the water

912
00:43:03,830 --> 00:43:01,220
whatever the size of it is and all that

913
00:43:07,060 --> 00:43:03,840
yeah cuz I've seen like whales and stuff

914
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:07,070
from from planes before when I used to

915
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:11,130
when I used to fly a small plane it's a

916
00:43:13,220 --> 00:43:12,660
whole different whole different thing

917
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:13,230
you're seeing

918
00:43:20,290 --> 00:43:16,290
so in that case of they reporting

919
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:20,300
something you know really really large

920
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:24,180
yeah the ones in Alaska only on the lake

921
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:27,810
up there the bush pilots especially back

922
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:30,630
in the 60s this was this was really a a

923
00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:33,720
lot going on back then eh they still

924
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:36,600
have reports and all but yeah back then

925
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,460
there was a whole lot of them and these

926
00:43:42,830 --> 00:43:40,920
bush pilots were seeing these them and

927
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:42,840
that they were really more described as

928
00:43:50,330 --> 00:43:46,380
more fish like than then maybe your

929
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:50,340
typical I say typical lake monster um

930
00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:53,130
but they were they were supposedly you

931
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:56,460
know 20 30 feet long and so you know

932
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:57,780
just he's enormous

933
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:01,380
you know fish or whatever you know if

934
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:04,110
they were spotting from the air now how

935
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:06,810
many are I shouldn't say how many but

936
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,480
would you guess - how many major places

937
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,280
there are in the world were there

938
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:16,140
sightings I mean is or is it just too

939
00:44:24,610 --> 00:44:20,130
many - uh yeah I think it's just too

940
00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:24,620
many in my book my first book I I did I

941
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:29,430
probably included give or take 60 lakes

942
00:44:35,780 --> 00:44:32,460
and I really just kind of cut it off

943
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:35,790
because um I could um I could have put

944
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:38,490
another 300 pages but I kind of wanted

945
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,090
to keep it - lakes had you know a fair

946
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:43,680
amount of sightings

947
00:44:51,470 --> 00:44:48,870
but yeah there's its it's too yeah too

948
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:51,480
many too many to really count for sure

949
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:53,910
now when someone sees one of these

950
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,730
things and say let's just say Lake

951
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,760
Champlain are they like terrified or

952
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,800
they just are they curious or like

953
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,420
they'll never go back there again or

954
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:05,040
what do you what are some of the things

955
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:08,970
you hear I mean it varies I guess it

956
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:11,790
depends on the person's experience but

957
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:14,130
for them for the most part from what

958
00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:16,710
I've seen it's really just curiosity and

959
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:19,110
and a lot of times you know they're only

960
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:21,990
seeing it for you know they're not

961
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:24,210
really observing it for for a long

962
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:26,280
period of time usually it's oh it's a

963
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:28,980
brief encounter and it's just you know

964
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:33,560
kind of a fascination you know right and

965
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:35,880
what would you say is that you said

966
00:45:39,380 --> 00:45:37,170
brief encounter what would you say is

967
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:39,390
like the longest people have actually

968
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:43,350
witnessed something well I've heard of

969
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:46,680
people on observing these things for up

970
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:50,670
to 20 minutes I think in my book I

971
00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:56,130
talked about a case Cressy up in up in

972
00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:01,140
Canada where a lady who lived at a house

973
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:04,320
on the lake observed something for a

974
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:09,410
period of about 20 minutes and also a

975
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:12,810
crab boat captain down in Georgia the

976
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:16,740
Altamaha that creature he observed

977
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:19,980
something similar to that for a period

978
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:22,530
of about 20 minutes now I don't think he

979
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:24,450
saw you know really saw it the whole

980
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:26,880
time but you know kind of kind of saw it

981
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,460
on the water and it would you know go

982
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:31,920
under and come back up and that sort of

983
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:34,170
thing so so I have heard of you know

984
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:37,170
periods of up to 20 minutes but normally

985
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,570
like I said encounters seem to be pretty

986
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:42,240
brief now what are the different types

987
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:45,570
of things you talked about serpents you

988
00:46:50,270 --> 00:46:48,210
talked about the octopus one what are

989
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:50,280
the different types of things that

990
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:54,600
people are seeing well you know you also

991
00:47:06,410 --> 00:46:57,090
hear like

992
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:06,420
a giant turtle seals as strange as that

993
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:09,090
sounds sometimes a like an out of place

994
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:13,200
seal you know will be reported and and

995
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:18,330
and and a lot of times you know just

996
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:21,510
like massive in a massive fish sometimes

997
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:25,350
can be mistaken to you know like like

998
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:29,310
alligator gar or sometimes like like an

999
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:33,420
out-of-place alligator or crocodile that

1000
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,330
sort of thing can also trigger these

1001
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:39,540
these reports someone in the chatroom we

1002
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:41,150
sort of talked about this earlier but

1003
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,040
someone in the chatroom wanted to know

1004
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:46,020
if there are any cases of missing people

1005
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,700
linked to these creatures you know

1006
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:52,680
that's a good question I um

1007
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:55,830
I don't really know of you know of any

1008
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:00,060
linkage there that you know certainly a

1009
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:02,130
lot of people do go missing in

1010
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:05,640
wilderness areas so I imagine that

1011
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:08,190
that's possible but I don't really know

1012
00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:10,680
of them you know of any length like that

1013
00:48:16,090 --> 00:48:12,150
could have been the witnesses and then

1014
00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:16,100
they're gone so who knows

1015
00:48:22,310 --> 00:48:18,390
strange things happen out in the

1016
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:22,320
wilderness that's for sure is any say

1017
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:24,570
you talked about police officers they

1018
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:26,790
make you know great witnesses a psyche I

1019
00:48:32,090 --> 00:48:28,140
agree

1020
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:32,100
has any one in particular that you're

1021
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:34,710
aware of that has any type of status a

1022
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,950
political status or celebrity status or

1023
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:40,800
anything like that have reported seeing

1024
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:45,660
something now as far as uh as far as

1025
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:48,900
late monsters um I'm trying to think if

1026
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:52,890
there's anybody own I can't think of

1027
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:54,780
anybody off the top of my head that

1028
00:49:03,470 --> 00:48:58,410
doesn't mean of course that it it hasn't

1029
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:03,480
occurred I know that you know and a lot

1030
00:49:09,130 --> 00:49:06,030
of politicians have you know kind of

1031
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:09,140
gotten behind you know promoting

1032
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,680
legislation to

1033
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:12,720
protect these things I know over and

1034
00:49:19,220 --> 00:49:15,630
over in Maryland one of the state

1035
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,230
senators they're back in the 70s and 80s

1036
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,020
he was getting so many letters from

1037
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,200
constituents about Jesse the Chesapeake

1038
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,900
Bay monster that you know was there a

1039
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:30,240
lot of sightings back in the early 80s

1040
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:35,190
late 70s and he he he was getting so

1041
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:36,900
many so much inquiry from his

1042
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:38,970
constituents that you know he put forth

1043
00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:42,510
some legislation to to promote the the

1044
00:49:48,590 --> 00:49:46,080
study you know the creature so yes so

1045
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:48,600
you know at times these creatures do you

1046
00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:51,330
know get to kind of some high profile

1047
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:53,820
like the White River monster there's a

1048
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:56,760
there's actually a refuge for it that

1049
00:50:01,520 --> 00:49:59,460
was you know some legislation was passed

1050
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:01,530
and some of these other lakes of them

1051
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:02,730
similar things

1052
00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:05,580
aha well that's interesting and I'm not

1053
00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:08,520
talking yet more about something related

1054
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,590
to that but I want to get to this

1055
00:50:15,610 --> 00:50:13,440
chatroom question and that is has there

1056
00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:15,620
ever been any link to other paranormal

1057
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:18,630
you know happenings or UFOs or anything

1058
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:21,960
like that sort of a link together or in

1059
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:26,850
the same area of sightings well you know

1060
00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:31,490
a lot of these lakes they are around

1061
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,430
areas of you know strange activity I

1062
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,440
know Loch Ness I've heard that there's

1063
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:39,660
you know that there's been some strange

1064
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:42,390
sightings of you know other type of or

1065
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:48,030
paranormal things there lakes you on you

1066
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:49,710
know in Washington State there's a

1067
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:53,250
there's a lot of Bigfoot reports around

1068
00:51:01,100 --> 00:50:56,460
the lake and I believe that area is

1069
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,110
known for UFO activity as well so I

1070
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,680
don't know that there's a direct link or

1071
00:51:10,990 --> 00:51:07,440
not but you know a lot of people believe

1072
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:11,000
that that these things are more from the

1073
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:14,070
paranormal so so that would makes them

1074
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:17,100
know has anyone taken I know if there

1075
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:20,250
has been some funding for some research

1076
00:51:26,479 --> 00:51:24,359
I know and Loch Ness I'm not sure

1077
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:26,489
other Lakes has there been anyone

1078
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,410
funding any type of research to see if

1079
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:31,140
they can actually find something like in

1080
00:51:39,769 --> 00:51:36,180
Champlain yeah I don't know if there's I

1081
00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:39,779
know that you know some of the like

1082
00:51:47,749 --> 00:51:43,109
discovery you know some of the some of

1083
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:47,759
these like media outlets have funded

1084
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:51,420
some some research as far as you know

1085
00:51:55,789 --> 00:51:53,730
like grants or you know anything from

1086
00:51:58,819 --> 00:51:55,799
the government I'm I'm not aware of

1087
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,829
anything that doesn't mean that you know

1088
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:00,599
that that there hasn't been something

1089
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:03,569
but I'm not really aware of any um you

1090
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:06,420
know we need more like publicly funded

1091
00:52:12,739 --> 00:52:10,440
things do you think that anyone do you

1092
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:12,749
think that science any type of science

1093
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:14,910
would ever take a hard look at this or

1094
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:19,440
is it just too evasive and to to career

1095
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:23,579
crushing well you know you like to think

1096
00:52:31,279 --> 00:52:27,180
that that that science would take it

1097
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:31,289
seriously but yeah I I don't look for it

1098
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:33,180
to happen it would be great if it did I

1099
00:52:38,049 --> 00:52:35,190
mean you know new things are being

1100
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:38,059
discovered all the time you know like

1101
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:42,420
recently that that giant Sun fish in the

1102
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:44,930
ocean done enough you know around

1103
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:49,140
Australia New Zealand area things they'd

1104
00:52:54,499 --> 00:52:50,970
known they'd known about it from

1105
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,509
indigenous people since the 1500s or you

1106
00:53:00,700 --> 00:52:57,359
know heard the legends of it but they

1107
00:53:03,739 --> 00:53:00,710
finally you know got evidence of it and

1108
00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:03,749
you know just a several maybe about a

1109
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:06,029
month and a half ago I was reading the

1110
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:08,130
article about it you know this thing's

1111
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:10,680
nine feet long 4,000 pounds so there's

1112
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:12,210
there's definitely some things out there

1113
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:15,660
being discovered but the the sea

1114
00:53:20,839 --> 00:53:18,089
serpents Lake Monsters that kind of has

1115
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,849
a stigma attached to yeah yeah but there

1116
00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:22,859
is like I mentioned early there's so

1117
00:53:32,029 --> 00:53:26,579
much unexplored and so many places to

1118
00:53:35,299 --> 00:53:32,039
hide for you know it doesn't matter if

1119
00:53:37,530 --> 00:53:35,309
you're if we're scuba diving whatever in

1120
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:37,540
the depths of some of these places

1121
00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:39,760
something could hide so easily even if

1122
00:53:44,820 --> 00:53:41,470
it was a hundred feet long or 200 feet

1123
00:53:46,859 --> 00:53:44,830
long it still could hide yeah I think so

1124
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:46,869
the only thing is the sonar you know

1125
00:53:50,580 --> 00:53:49,390
that would be something that you would

1126
00:53:53,570 --> 00:53:50,590
think there would be more hits off the

1127
00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:53,580
sonar for something like that

1128
00:54:00,420 --> 00:53:56,980
yeah yeah I mean that you know you do

1129
00:54:03,210 --> 00:54:00,430
get the reports of that but but then you

1130
00:54:05,790 --> 00:54:03,220
also hear of you know like these lakes

1131
00:54:08,820 --> 00:54:05,800
being scanned that have sightings and

1132
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:08,830
you know not nothing coming up so you

1133
00:54:13,859 --> 00:54:10,210
know it's it's one of those things

1134
00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:13,869
that's so it's hard to find any smoking

1135
00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:16,150
gun or anything definitive I mean there

1136
00:54:23,310 --> 00:54:18,030
could be caverns below there could be

1137
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:23,320
many reasons and yeah I think so so

1138
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,050
let's switch gears we'll end out the

1139
00:54:30,450 --> 00:54:28,960
show I want to talk about your latest

1140
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:30,460
book the wild and wonderful and

1141
00:54:35,580 --> 00:54:33,490
paranormal West Virginia can you talk a

1142
00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:35,590
little bit about that as you say in your

1143
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:37,840
you say that it's a hotbed of paranormal

1144
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:42,930
activity yeah it sure is West Virginia

1145
00:54:49,050 --> 00:54:46,720
has a in my opinion anyway it has a

1146
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:49,060
disproportionate amount of paranormal

1147
00:54:55,380 --> 00:54:53,890
activity and cryptid sightings you know

1148
00:54:58,050 --> 00:54:55,390
there's a lot of yeah a lot of Bigfoot

1149
00:55:02,070 --> 00:54:58,060
sightings a lot of your you know your

1150
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:02,080
large black cat sightings all sorts of

1151
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:06,180
all sorts of strange things there's a

1152
00:55:11,849 --> 00:55:09,670
any number of haunted locations there

1153
00:55:14,670 --> 00:55:11,859
and it just really is one of those

1154
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:14,680
places that kind of makes your hair

1155
00:55:18,690 --> 00:55:17,170
stand up when you're when you're when

1156
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:18,700
you're driving through a lot of areas of

1157
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:21,640
there and and so what what would oh I

1158
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:25,540
see you got chupacabra and what is devil

1159
00:55:31,770 --> 00:55:27,720
monkeys I've never heard of that one

1160
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:31,780
yeah devil monkey is own there's these

1161
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:35,770
reports and over here in Virginia where

1162
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,200
I live there there's been a lot of

1163
00:55:42,810 --> 00:55:40,720
reports in the southwestern portion of

1164
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:42,820
the state but they kind of spill over

1165
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:46,390
and into them into West Virginia and to

1166
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:48,850
me it sounds just like you know just

1167
00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:50,890
just like a lemur or just just like a

1168
00:55:53,940 --> 00:55:51,400
mom

1169
00:55:56,970 --> 00:55:53,950
but they they they're very aggressive

1170
00:55:59,880 --> 00:55:56,980
they there's been reports where these

1171
00:56:02,279 --> 00:55:59,890
things will you know like they're like

1172
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:02,289
two nurses were either driving to or

1173
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:05,880
from work and Adam had a convertible and

1174
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:08,500
like one of these things like jumped up

1175
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:11,049
on top of it like he don't like scratch

1176
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:16,230
the he like scratch the fabric and

1177
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:19,000
there's like another report and this

1178
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:21,910
this wasn't in in in West Virginia this

1179
00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:24,099
was in Virginia but you know real close

1180
00:56:29,490 --> 00:56:27,099
to the border where like one of these

1181
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:29,500
things that you know like somebody was

1182
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:31,210
like driving with their arm out the

1183
00:56:35,730 --> 00:56:33,369
window and you know what he sings like

1184
00:56:37,769 --> 00:56:35,740
was on the side of the road like jumped

1185
00:56:39,539 --> 00:56:37,779
on his car and like scratched at his arm

1186
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:39,549
and you know just all kinds of things

1187
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:42,970
like this and um and then over in West

1188
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:44,770
Virginia around the charleston area like

1189
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:48,190
in the forties when they were doing some

1190
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:50,049
work on the railroads there there were

1191
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:52,210
just these reports oh you know just like

1192
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:54,010
like a monkey you know swinging through

1193
00:56:59,970 --> 00:56:56,740
the trees and but it was like real

1194
00:57:01,529 --> 00:56:59,980
aggressive and would come up to the you

1195
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:01,539
know the car where the people were

1196
00:57:05,849 --> 00:57:03,970
staying at night and you know like

1197
00:57:08,279 --> 00:57:05,859
scratching on the window and stuff like

1198
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:08,289
that so they kind of got the name double

1199
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:11,770
monkeys about that now you're saying

1200
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:14,770
that there's a burial mounds you know

1201
00:57:22,140 --> 00:57:18,010
early burial mounds containing skeletal

1202
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:22,150
remains of giants has that yeah I mean

1203
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:24,970
not as far as I know there's no actually

1204
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:28,690
there's no actual like scientists not

1205
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,190
come out and said that there's actually

1206
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,799
giants and you know you see a lot of

1207
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:34,480
things online about the skeletal remains

1208
00:57:41,339 --> 00:57:38,020
of these huge giants but a lot of people

1209
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:41,349
saying that's just hoaxes so what do you

1210
00:57:46,289 --> 00:57:44,740
know about that yeah I mean it's

1211
00:57:48,329 --> 00:57:46,299
definitely hard to separate the wheat

1212
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:48,339
from the chaff with with some of these

1213
00:57:58,410 --> 00:57:53,260
giant reports but if you look in the in

1214
00:58:00,269 --> 00:57:58,420
a Kanawa valley the Ohio Valley in West

1215
00:58:01,530 --> 00:58:00,279
Virginia there's there's a lot of these

1216
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:01,540
burial mounds

1217
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:05,590
were excavated in the 1800s and if you

1218
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:07,990
go through a lot of the Bureau of

1219
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:10,810
ethnology reports you know which is a

1220
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:14,380
the Smithsonian's reports back then you

1221
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:15,670
know they don't really come right out

1222
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:18,090
and say oh we discovered giants but

1223
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:21,190
there's a lot of reports of you know and

1224
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:23,650
this is the Smithsonian's own own

1225
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:26,860
writings were skeletons seven and a half

1226
00:58:31,740 --> 00:58:29,170
feet tall you know have been found in

1227
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:31,750
these mounds and and so you know you can

1228
00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:34,720
say that well that's that's just a

1229
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:38,380
really tall person and okay fine but the

1230
00:58:43,380 --> 00:58:41,410
thing about it is is you know I don't

1231
00:58:47,370 --> 00:58:43,390
have exact numbers in front of me but if

1232
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:47,380
you find you know 750 skeletons and say

1233
00:58:52,650 --> 00:58:50,530
10 of them or seven and a half feet tall

1234
00:58:55,140 --> 00:58:52,660
that's a disproportionate I'm absolutely

1235
00:58:57,090 --> 00:58:55,150
you know so there's something going on

1236
00:58:59,460 --> 00:58:57,100
there and and and and you know these

1237
00:59:02,550 --> 00:58:59,470
these these large skeletons were always

1238
00:59:04,590 --> 00:59:02,560
you know real elaborate burials you know

1239
00:59:07,050 --> 00:59:04,600
they would they would you know a lot of

1240
00:59:09,570 --> 00:59:07,060
them would be laid out you know facing

1241
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:09,580
an east-west direction and sometimes a

1242
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:12,670
spiral pattern of other skeletons around

1243
00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:14,530
them and they would be buried with you

1244
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:17,380
know all sorts of artifacts and

1245
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:20,050
everything so something really strange

1246
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:22,840
you know was and we really don't know a

1247
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:26,530
lot about the about the mound builder

1248
00:59:32,010 --> 00:59:27,160
huh

1249
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:32,020
how about any dated material as far as a

1250
00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:35,710
yeah I'm gating yeah yeah I think that

1251
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:38,860
the it depends on the mounds but you

1252
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:44,190
know a lot of them you know 200 BC to

1253
00:59:51,390 --> 00:59:49,270
you know 800 AD that timeframe I mean

1254
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:51,400
I'm like you know depending on if it was

1255
00:59:55,470 --> 00:59:53,920
a dino or Hopewell and you know I I

1256
00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,480
think they could go back a little bit

1257
00:59:59,760 --> 00:59:57,760
further some of the Edina biomes yeah

1258
01:00:04,050 --> 00:59:59,770
all right and you have a web site

1259
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,060
correct yeah Denver Michael's not net

1260
01:00:07,530 --> 01:00:05,920
and your book suck why don't you go

1261
01:00:09,780 --> 01:00:07,540
ahead and throw out the titles and you

1262
01:00:13,890 --> 01:00:09,790
can get them on Amazon can you also get

1263
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:17,339
not Amazon or you know if you for

1264
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,569
paperbacks you go to Amazon Barnes &

1265
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:22,240
Noble or wherever you you like to get

1266
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:25,140
books if you if you're into the ebooks

1267
01:00:31,410 --> 01:00:28,750
Amazon and just for everybody out there

1268
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,420
my book people are seeing something

1269
01:00:38,819 --> 01:00:34,720
tonight and tomorrow you can download a

1270
01:00:41,490 --> 01:00:38,829
free Kindle edition of that book so yeah

1271
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:41,500
check that one all right okay Denver

1272
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:43,270
thanks you thank you so much and I hope

1273
01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:46,089
for your your book writing continues and

1274
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:49,089
it's successful and I bet it's a lot of

1275
01:00:55,859 --> 01:00:52,990
fun yeah thanks and I appreciate you

1276
01:00:59,220 --> 01:00:55,869
having me on all right take care all

1277
01:00:59,640 --> 01:00:59,230
right good night all right that's it for

1278
01:01:03,299 --> 01:00:59,650
our show

1279
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:03,309
thanks so much we are trying to put

1280
01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:07,630
together a show coming up on net

1281
01:01:12,750 --> 01:01:09,910
neutrality and rolling back the

1282
01:01:14,279 --> 01:01:12,760
regulations that both sides of that so

1283
01:01:17,059 --> 01:01:14,289
I'm waiting to hear back from that but

1284
01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:17,069
unless that comes through before

1285
01:01:22,769 --> 01:01:20,140
September 18th that's when our next show

1286
01:01:24,089 --> 01:01:22,779
will be so in other words if that show

1287
01:01:27,569 --> 01:01:24,099
doesn't happen our next show will be

1288
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:27,579
September 18th and that's going to be

1289
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,410
about the Dyatlov pass we have a great

1290
01:01:36,329 --> 01:01:33,520
European guest that's going to be

1291
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:36,339
talking about that should be really

1292
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:39,130
really interesting so thanks so much for

1293
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:42,569
joining us and remember we'll be back up

1294
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:45,369
possibly before September 18th but that

1295
01:01:48,930 --> 01:01:47,049
will be as it stands right now that